Hi Dave
=A0
I have been following your story and I applaud you for taking Eddie to the =
behaviourist. I think if you work with Eddie and regain your alpha position=
through bonding exercises and taking on the alpha responsibilities that Ed=
die can be helped.
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I remember a Cesar episode where he dealt with a trained service dog (war a=
ssistance in Iraq) that came home OK but went through a hurricane while his=
owner (leader) was away.
The dog was completely traumatized and could not work. (I have to look up t=
he name of the episode)=A0 Anyway, Cesar took the dog right back to its pri=
mal self. He started working in the pool (dog was a lab) in order to reliev=
e stress and built up the dogs confidence through positive enforcement and =
desensitization.
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I think your behaviourist is on the right track with his advice about Eddie=
. Eddie responsed to watching his pack leader taken down was=A0FEAR and the=
n insecurity (which causes aggression)=A0 I think working to build up his T=
RUST in you while you correct (wrong behaviour) and Praise (good behaviour)=
is the right approach.
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I went to your website and watched a few video’s. They are beautiful dogs. =
I would wish you luck to rehab Eddie but we both know that you can make you=
r own luck, by giving a solid rehab routine, consistant corrections and lot=
s of praise. You can reclaim your leader position and build back Eddie’s co=
nfidence in you to gain=A0 his calm submission.
=A0
YES I do agree that dogs will attack FEAR.=A0 Fear is an unbalanced state o=
f mind, the same as aggression, obsession, excitement or any insecurity.=A0=
The dominant dog will seek to regain balance through correcting that behav=
iour but if the other dog takes issue with it then a fight will break out. =
That could be what happened between your dogs.
=A0
Recently, I was walking my dominant 80 pound hound and stopped at a light. =
A man walked in front of me with a shepherd=A0mix dog and I noticed that it=
was looking at my Dango with wide eyes, flat ears and a tail between its l=
egs. (FEAR)=A0 Dango immediately snapped three times at it with a growly te=
ethy correction.=A0 A fearful dog will get corrected by other balanced dogs=
especially=A0by a dominant dog and has recently taken over an alpha positi=
on in the pack due to a wounded leader.
=A0
Take Care and I wish you luck in your plight for justice,=A0 Lori Reynolds
Grateful Stride Pet Sitting www.gratefulstride.com =A0
Lori Reynolds & Tony Allison 905-465-9409
Insured professionals lori@gra=
tefulstride.com
— On Mon, 9/14/09, Dave Thomason 1smallworld <dave@1smallworld.us> wrote:
From: Dave Thomason 1smallworld <dave@1smallworld.us>
Subject: [DogWhispererFans] Re: need help!!! Damaged service dog by cop att=
ack
To: DogWhispererFans@=
yahoogroups.com
Received: Monday, September 14, 2009, 12:46 AM
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Hi Harriet…Thank you for that input…my vet also mentioned Prozac…They=
had me on anti-depressants after my accident and that is when I almost &qu=
ot;pulled the trigger"…I don’t like that stuff…Time for an update.=
..I had the worst night in my life that Thursday night, I went to bed with =
the decision to have Eddy put down the next morning…Of course I did not s=
leep at all that night unlike Eddy who slept with his huge head on my shoul=
der as I silently teared to myself…
Friday morning I remembered that about a year ago I had Eddy working with m=
e in the local Napa auto parts store and a fellow that worked there followe=
d us out and he met Eddy and admired him greatly…He gave me his card and =
it said
Companion K-9…Behavioral Modification. ..I thought maybe he would like to=
take Eddy…I found his card and left an early message for him…I got a h=
old of him at work and he would meet us Saturday evening @ 6 to evaluate Ed=
dy…
We met Saturday @ 6 and I meet one spectacular man…He has been in law enf=
orcement training and rehabbing police dogs…His list of credentials is wa=
y to long for these fingers to type…Eddy displayed some of his fearful be=
havior and Rob confirmed my feeling…Eddy got broken by that deputy and he=
says the lawsuit is a sure win and Eddy can be healed…He will never be t=
he Eddy prior to the incident but he will once again be happy and productiv=
e at home…Rob says that working for now would not be productive for him..=
.the ‘ol one step forward and two steps back situation would occur…
There will be a lot of leash walking and positive reinforcement as well as =
keeping him from experiencing failures…
I asked Rob about the fight with Charlie and apparently I, the alpha leader=
, was weakened that day the tazing occurred and since Eddy was attached to =
me with the leash belt he too had to go thru that horror… When Charlie ye=
lped Eddy had to take action and he did…the bull mastiff does not tear sk=
in, the mastiff crushes bone, he is very, very powerful…I had to drag bot=
h dogs to the small pool hoping to use the water to stop the fight…Rob sa=
w Eddy’s fear and he is not an "aggressive" dog, just fearful…
Rob showed me his "bottle bomb" a small plastic bottle with 20 pe=
nnies in in…You can use it like a throw chain or just shake it and cause =
a noise that shuts everything down…
I was walking him this morning and 3 joggers and their dog off leash came r=
unning down the road towards us and I saw the Eddy was tensing up…as the =
people got closer their dog veered and was running towards us…I raised my=
hand with the bottle bomb and in my newly learned German spit out an unmis=
takable AUS!!! (that means out)
The pennies rattled, the other dog turned around and went the other way and=
Eddy was surprised and distracted to the point of forgetting about the sit=
uation… I then went into praise mode as he had calmed and the threat that=
had passed…I was once again the alpha and I handled the situation… he =
did not have to do it…
The bottle bomb worked with my other pack members, they were barking at the=
fence and just a toss of the bottle bomb landing at the fenceline shut eve=
rybody down…I really think this bottle bomb will even stop a fight…
Charlie my number two service dog, he is a great public worker, is on injur=
ed reserve for a while and my yellow lab, Noble, is now handling the servic=
e dog duty…He had a good save at my dad’s memorial…
Eddy has worked with me for years and he will stay with me and I will sue t=
he pants off this county and with the 4.5 billion dollars I will build a he=
aling center for the veterans that come home with PTSD and their families..=
. Anybody want a job:-)
~Dave~
Fly like a bird…
Laugh like a Dog…
http://www.onemanai rshow.org
My YouTube site…plez visit
http://www.youtube. com/user/ davesez
Something Wonderful
is Going to Happen
************ ********* *Previous Message***** ********* ********* **
From: Harriet Laurin
Sent: Sunday, September 13, 2009 6:53 PM
Hi Dave,
I’m sorry, I don’t know anyone who I can suggest would be a good home for
your dog… however, it does sound to me like your dog may have developed
the dog equivalent of PTSD, which my dog also developed after a frightening=
situation involving her being attacked by a neighbor’s dog.
In her case, in addition to reworking through training, we needed to put he=
r
on Prozac, and while she is not 100% yet, she is doing MUCH better than
before. Just a thought, that until you can find your dog a new home, you
may want to talk to your vet to find out if putting your dog on Prozac may
help.
Harriet, Lucky & BlackJack in Pennsylvania
************ ********* *Previous Message***** ********* ********* **
On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 11:34 PM, Dave Thomason 1smallworld <
dave@1smallworld. us> wrote:
HELP!!! I am disabled with a brain injury; absul seizures and I use a
service dog… For the last three years I have been using Eddy, a 108 pound=
bull mastiff/lab mix…He has been a delight to work with and live with…I=
have 5 other dogs as well and I have been using Charlie, blue
healer/something beautiful, with Eddy since April 5, 09…
On that Sunday morning I took my troops down to my front yard commonly
referred to as the doghouse, (long story)…As I pulled up to my gate I saw=
two great Pyrenees in the middle of my fenced yard…One was sitting and on=
e
was standing…
I left my dogs in the truck and approached the two in my yard and the one
sitting down growled at me…I abandoned my approach and went back to the
truck and brought out my two service dogs, Eddy and Charlie..
I turned them loose in the yard knowing that they would befriend the
trespassers (fenced yard/closed gate) and I would be able to safely
approach…
It worked and the approach was not a problem…the dog sitting down allowed=
me to look at his tag and that is when I saw what I only see on the
television news…This dog had a chain wrapped around his belly with a ten
pound bar bell weigh hanging off it…The chain (stout enough to pull a
truck from a ditch) had slid back to his hips and he could not stand up…
I was horrified, mortified and stupefied (taking action under the influence=
of emotion) I took the phone number off his tag and left a angry message…=
I then called the sheriff’s office and told them that I wanted to make a
citizens arrest for cruelty to animals…the dispatcher said they were
busy…
I started to set up my fight stopper, the hose, when two small trucks
pulled up across the street…A lady approached my fence (6 foot) and told
me that she had found those dogs wandering in the road and she put them in
my yard for their safety.
I told her about the chain and also told her the owner was going to be
arrested…she said no don’t arrest him and that she also had a great
Pyrenees that had escaped her yard and killed a chicken…
The next thing I see is a man and a woman leading the Pyrenees from my yard=
and letting my Charlie out at the same time…( I was up the hill from my
gate 20 yards)
I hurried out and got my Charlie out of the road and in my truck… Eddy
was still in the closed yard and I went across the street and gave a pretty=
good lecture on what not to do as well as telling him he was under arrest
for animal cruelty…He said "they are my dogs and I’ll do as I want&q=
uot;…As
he was saying this he stepped forward with his right foot and he was raisin=
g
his right arm…I grabbed a fist full of shirt and held him at arms length
saying "YOU WILL KILL HIM"
He then offered to pay me for my troubles as I turned and walked off
disgusted… I gave both of the women my business card and I called the
sheriff to cancel the call, unless they complained then I wanted to pursue
the citizens arrest…
The people left and I went about my business raking the pine nettles when 2=
sheriff cars and a game warden truck drove by my place and on up the hill..=
.
I was involved in law enforcement in my youth (55 now) and I know that I
should have been talked to first…I raked some more and about an hour late=
r
I put all the dogs except my service dogs, Eddy and Charlie, in the truck
with the air conditioner running…I knew that I would be talking to the
deputies very soon and most likely a lengthy talk.
Sure enough they showed up and parked defensively up the road from my
gate…
I knew things were not going good when I saw that…
Two deputies and one game warden came to my gate and I explained what had
happened and reiterated that I wanted to do a citizens arrest…I also
commented on the fact that there were three of them and asked what the
dispatched call was…The deputy was rude and told me to answer his
questions first as he was writing in his note pad…He then said (this was
all recorded by them and my attorney filed a discovery motion so I have the=
recording) " your stare is not going to do any good" I said "=
;I’m just
looking at you, do you have a problem with that? He said "yes I do&quo=
t; then
pulled my gate open aggressively. ..By reflex I went to hold the gate close=
d,
fearful for my dogs lives.
We do not practice the angry armed deputy forcing his way into my yard
routine. Eddy, the 108 bull mastiff was attached to my leash belt with
Charlie…
By the time I touched the fence/gate I was hit with 50 thousand volts and I=
went down…my dogs were still tied to my waist and I was yelling NO NO
NO…I was yelling at the pain and at my dogs…I knew that they would be
shot and killed at the first growl…They then activated the tazer again so=
I took another 50 thou…and the no’s continued… finally the tazing
stopped and I was handcuffed face down in the dirt…I had them put my dogs=
in the truck then drive up to my elderly mother’s house to bring her down t=
o
take my dogs home…she is 76 and can not drive…I live next door and she
is living alone since my dad died…I was arrested and booked for attempted=
murder as well as a host of other charges one of which was assault with a
firearm (there were no guns with-in ten miles of me)…I spent 4 days and 3=
nights in the county jail and I was on no bail…the public defender pointe=
d
out that I had no record and had been in law enforcement so the bail was
reduced to 25 thou…God bless sisters… I got out Wednesday afternoon…
I am still doing the court thing and a lawsuit will follow but here is what=
I need help with…
My number one service dog Eddy, the 108 pound bull mastiff that has been
working with me for the last three years is damaged…I went to court
yesterday and he shook like a leaf on a windy day when near a deputy…a
month ago during a commotion at the fence he went for my throat…He was on=
leash, spun and took out my left wrist, lots of blood, then in one motion
went for my neck planting his teeth in my upper right chest. I was able to
catch him by the jowls and plant him on the ground cussing like a
sailor…the lumber crew that saw the incident said they would put a bullet=
in his head…I LOVE THIS DOG!!! I forgave and continued to work him with
Charlie in the grocery store…He is a lot calmer when working with
Charlie….I have a wild and exciting life here in the Mt. Shasta area…th=
e
doghouse and the grocery store, that is about it for me nowadays since my
hang gliding accident in ‘91…
Today he attacked my Charlie boy…Charlie got his foot stuck on the hose
nozzle and yelped once…that was all it took…the fight was on… Charlie=
got his neck stitched up and he is spending the night at the hospital…My
hands have so many holes in them that typing this l-o-n-ggg letter is
painful…
Bottom line…I need to give my Eddy to a veteran with PTSD…this must be
an alpha man with no other dogs…he must be patient and kind, Eddy will
know…I will teach him how to use Eddy to mitigate his disability and Eddy=
does it very well. My brain injury is very disabling and I need your help t=
o
find the right person…
Eddy and the troops are on my web site and youtube site listed below in my
signature…
~Dave~
Fly like a bird…
Laugh like a Dog…
http://www.onemanai rshow.org
My YouTube site…plez visit
http://www.youtube. com/user/ davesez
Something Wonderful
is Going to Happen
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